Stir It Up

Some people I know of have condemned as racist 'plantation' references by black Republicans . ("Get off of the Democrat plantation!") I hope that those same people with remember their principles in 2008 when Senator Hillary Clinton wins the Democrat presidential primary.

The [Republican-controlled US] House [of Representatives] "has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," said [Senator Hillary] Clinton, D-N.Y.

Why would black Americans (the majority of the audience to which Senator Clinton was speaking) of the twenty-first century know anything about plantations? Does she consider it a simple ancestral memory or is it something more insidious on her part? Or is she simply playing to the rhetoric which will keep black Americans on the plantation inflamed enough to stay in the Democrat party?

Oh, they were mostly Katrina victims and were being addressed today, the commemoration of Dr. Martin Luther King’s seventy-seventh birthday (it’s sort of astonishing that he would be so young had he lived). But what does being the victim of and being displaced by one of the worst natural disasters that has ever been visited upon the US have to do with the House of Representatives? And what do either have to do with the plantation slavery that was abolished 141 years ago?

It’s that 98% disapproval rate that President Bush has among black Americans. Might as well push for what might get you to 100.

So much for the “moderate” Senator Clinton. Keep the fires stoked! Keep hope (of another Clinton presidency) alive!

Today I finally had a non-confrontational political conversation with my great-aunt. She agreed that President Bush was as good a foreign-policy president as President Clinton had been as a domestic-policy president (after we, again, went over the definition of a ‘lie’ ). What we didn’t talk about was this: that President Bush is near equal to former President Clinton in domestic policy (this isn’t a qualitative statement for either). President Bush has two problems in achieving his domestic agenda, however, which his immediate predecessor didn't have:

• He’s not even remotely as skilled as President Clinton in talking up his agenda.
• He doesn’t have a Big Media talking up his agenda.
• He’s a Republican.
• The majority of black people have forgotten, never known, or forgiven the Democrat Party for its past and bought into the demonization of the Republican Party.

Therefore, President Clinton’s mate—along with other Democrats—have an open door to those most loyal of Democrats and can--without any fear--use slavery rhetoric with those who were the victims of nature.

Pretty handy.

I’m sure that you’re resting in peace anyway, Dr. King.

(Thanks to Jeff Goldstein)

Comments

[Bill O--the twit that doesn't understand what banning means]

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[DarkStar]

I "tore" into Michael Steele for making the statement.

Here's a condensed version of it:

If you are saying Blacks are stuck on a Democrat plantation, then why is the other plantation overseer, GOP chair Melman, saying that the GOP was wrong for turning their backs on Black Americans? And since you [ Steele ] agrees with him, what does that say?

[DarkStar]

The majority of black people have forgotten, never known, or forgiven the Democrat Party for its past and bought into the demonization of the Republican Party.

Frankly, the past of either party doesn't matter to me. It becomes an issue when Republicans want to white wash the Dixiecrats who joined their party and when "back turning" of the GOP on Blacks to go for the Southern vote.

If you have a problem with that statement, see the GOP chair.

And I don't understand why the promotion of Hillary Clinton as a pres. candidate.

Just like Bush has some Dem's head spinning, Clinton has some Repub's head spinning.

It makes no sense.

When Black Republicans learn to have a conversation with Black people, instead of condescending to them, things will get a lot better.

But what do I know? I'm a contrarian who happens to pay attention.

[justin]

Wow, Baldilocks, this is getting scary, I actually agree with a lot of this post too. I think in the later part of the 60s and 70s the divide between the parties was pretty clear--the Republicans (using the "Southern Strategy to get the anti-segregationist Dems) were the anti-civil rights party while the Dems were pro-civil rights--I know this a gross generalization, but I think it gets at the dynamic. That dynamic has changed drastically (see, for example, a Republican President appointing a black woman as secretary of state) and is no longer true on the national level. The Democrats take the black vote for granted and haven't actually done anything to serve that constituency in 20 years. So, the rhetoric helps to keep the black votes coming in.

[Steve]

Oh boy, here we go. You can just feel the calculations of those millionaires and billionaires behind Hillary and the Democratic Party going into everything said by her.

The History Channel had a special about how labor organizations purposely and calculatedly stirred the passions of the workers in order to then direct that passion to their pre-planned purposes. I think we will be seeing the results in the near future of that old playbook being used by those that wrote it.

[justin]

Yeah, Steve, because there are no billionaires and millionaires behind Republicans--just a bunch of middle America folks.

[Steve]

Sorry, but lets see if I can just give you an honest view from my part of the bleachers. From the Democratic party I do see a lot of Hollywood (David Rosen) fund raisers and a lot of millionaires and billionaires of industry and the media. The Democrat's seem to have the same moral sense as Hollywood-MTV-Jerry Springer all wrapped into one.

I know for certain that much of what is said and done by them is more choreographed, or orchestrated, from above (or "below" might be more appropriate). From what I can tell these people that control the Democratic Party are not neccessarily of this country, in a sense. And they're wealthy and powerful and they have been around doing what it is we see or detect them doing for a long time and in various countries. What is done by them, like even possibly this little Hillary remark, is done with cold calculation and forethought. I have real reasons for saying that due to too many things to go into now.

As for Rupublicans, I have read that they do have more donations from those that donate less than 200 dollars. So, for whatever that is worth, I'd call the Republicans more "grass roots" and whatever other words are normally used to describe such things.

Leftwing Millionaires' Club:

http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/LMC.asp

[justin]

Steve--I agree that there are lots of millionaires who contribute to the Democrats, but the idea that the Republican party is more grassroots is pretty indefensible. Republicans are the party of big business (for better or worse). We may have Hollywood and George Soros, but Republicans have oil company executives and Wall Street.

Do you really disagree with this? I can't believe that you would.

[Steve]

Yes, I sort of disagree with what you are saying and I sort of agree with what I am saying. I realize that there are shades of grey even as I speak but nonetheless I speak, we all speak. And what I wrote is fairly accurate as these general kinds of statements used sooner or later by everyone can be.

There are more democrat and extreme "liberal" hyper-millionaires of media and industry then are shown in that one web page. A lot of names that a site like that probably felt it wouldn't be fair to mention with all the others but nonetheless they are there in big news, entertainment, and industry.

Its just a little creepy when all things are considered and especially if you know some of what was really going on in the 1990s. I don't know what it is, some people just see it, and some people just don't.

[justin]

OK--I admit, I don't get it or see it. What is the real problem with millionaire Hollywood types supporting Democrats (other than that they are annoying when they speak about politics). If Barbara Streisand gives money to the Democrats, why does that matter?

[Svejk]

"The significance of the K Street shift can be seen in comparisons of the total giving by 19 industry sectors in 1992 and in 2002... Ten years ago, these groups gave nearly as much money to Democrats and Democratic Party committees as they did to the Republican counterparts: about $128 million to $135 million... In 2002, with the end-of-the-cycle reports still to be filed, the flow of cash to Democrats has fallen slightly to $121 million, while contributions to Republicans have ballooned to nearly $213 million. In other words, a modest $7 million GOP edge 10 years ago has grown to a $98 million advantage this year."

November 27, 2002 Washington Post
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1127-01.htm

Steve... I'm not sure how you reconcile the growth of K Street's influence over the GOP, with your "grass roots" vision of it. K Street's lobbyists sit in on Grover Norquist's and Rick Santorum's meetings and set the GOP agenda. They wine and dine Senators and Representatives and pay for tickets for the GOP leadership to visit Scottish golf courses and S. Pacific islands.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18075

[teal marie]

Justin, this is OT, but I just want to say you've really become a much more pleasant poster here. Its probably none of my business, but I've noticed and I appreciate your efforts. Seems like a New Years resolution on your part and a fine one.
So, thanks!
And Steve, I'm glad you're back, you have ideas and information that really pique my interest. I'd like to know more about the Gore/Russian mafia matrix you mentioned.
Back on topic, Hilary: cynical, bitter cow! Bad karma, absolutely filthy.

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[justin]

I appreciate this board and the comments posted, so I'm trying not to come across as snarky (which when I go back and read comments, the tone is much worse than I intended usually), although sometimes I'm just venting.

And, Baldilocks keeps posting things I agree with :-)

[Steve]

"Matrix" makes it seem pretty weird. It is at WorldNetDaily. They did, I think, about 18 articles on Al Gore. I've got a link at the bottom of what I am going to write.

I'll try to get you started with as much as I can remember without going to look. I've only read about three of the articles but I've got them printed out.

It might be good to give you a little context as much as I can.

Armand Hammer's father was from Russia. I believe it was the town of Odessa. He named his son after the Arm & Hammer on the Soviet flag. They both came here to the United States around 1900. In some ways Armand was a pretty pathetic character. I do not know why he did as he did except I think some people just have to feel like they are somebody big. I read Edward J. Epstein's book on Armad Hammer (actually I still have about 75 pages to go and I can't seem to get back to it; I got it real cheap and had no idea what it was about) and E.J.E. mentions this driving need of Armand to be someone. Actually, so much of what he did failed and he was very often not as rich as he tried to appear. He mainly wanted to start up business between the United States and Russia and be the main man between the two nations. But he was actually supporting Soviet spies and spying in this country (its been a while since I've been in the book). Armand Hammer and the Gore family were both part of Occidental Petroleum. The Gore family still is part of Occidental Petroleum which does business in Columbia and Peru and has had the people of those countries complaining and even sabotaging the pipelines there. Besides in South America, Occidental did (or tried) a lot of business in Libya in the 1960s. Armand is Jewish so he became a Unitarian so that he could more easily do business in Libya. I read from some place on the Internet recently where the person writing blamed Mohamar Quadafis take over of Libya on Occidental Petroleum. Remember the cold war is on and Libya becomes part of the Soviet side of the equation. Libya becomes a big PLO and terrorism supporter.

AL Gore's father along with others, if I remember right, go to some lengths on behalf of Armand Hammer politically. There might be some sensitive reasons for this and like I said I haven't finished the book. In, I believe, the very early 1980s Armand Hammer sells his 20% of an important Washinton D.C. Bank that becomes the foothold for the illegal ownership of a U.S. bank by B.C.C.I. The men doing the buying were mainly very wealthy Saudis of Saudi Intelligence. This was at a time when the Saudi Ghaith Pharaon was living in Georgia and when Jimmy Carter was in debt to him. I am not sure what BCCI was all about but I am guessing as far as the U.S. is concerned London mainly ran the show. London was suddenly overflowing in those days with wealthy Arabs in limousines and mansions (still is I think). Jimmy Carter was to befriend Agha Hassan Abedi the Pakistani president of BCCI. When President Carter took a trip to Pakistan he was not greated off the plane by the country of Pakistan's own delegation but by the BCCI protocol department. They had the money of a very wealthy U.A.E Sheik as their main capital in the bank. These relationships are probably why the Carter Center received a donation from the Bin Laden Group.

It has been said by a BCCI person that if you think of BCCI as a bank you'll not understand it and it is hard to understand BCCI. It was in 70 countries at one time and I kind of think that those sorts of things are still going on. Maybe there still is a BCCI in a sense and its generically called international offshore bare knuckle banking.
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As for Al Gore specifically. The link below has an article and at the bottom of the page are several links about Al Gore. It is mentioned in one of the articles that, like Armand's file that was openned up after the Soviet Union fell, there is a sensitive file on the Gore familly that Russian Intelligence uses to leverage Al Gore. Al Gore was very cozy with Viktor Chernomyrdin and allowed Viktor to sell arms to Iran that were suppose to by law receive sanctions by the U.S. if sold to Iran. In a book I've been reading about the Russian Oligarchs Anatoly Chubais mentions that in the mid-1990s he considered Viktor Chernomyrdin to own 50% of Russia. Viktor Chenomyrdin's sons were/are the main stockholders of Itera Corporation of Jacksonville Fla. Itera is the sister compamy to Russia's Gazprom, the largest energy company in the world.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17728
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Title: Gore condoned Russian mafia?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17655

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Title: Gore's, Talbott's Red Russian roots

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17657

[Steve]

"Matrix" makes it seem pretty weird. It is at WorldNetDaily. They did, I think, about 18 articles on Al Gore. I've got a link at the bottom of what I am going to write.

I'll try to get you started with as much as I can remember without going to look. I've only read about three of the articles but I've got them printed out.

It might be good to give you a little context as much as I can.

Armand Hammer's father was from Russia. I believe it was the town of Odessa. He named his son after the Arm & Hammer on the Soviet flag. They both came here to the United States around 1900. In some ways Armand was a pretty pathetic character. I do not know why he did as he did except I think some people just have to feel like they are somebody big. I read Edward J. Epstein's book on Armad Hammer (actually I still have about 75 pages to go and I can't seem to get back to it; I got it real cheap and had no idea what it was about) and E.J.E. mentions this driving need of Armand to be someone. Actually, so much of what he did failed and he was very often not as rich as he tried to appear. He mainly wanted to start up business between the United States and Russia and be the main man between the two nations. But he was actually supporting Soviet spies and spying in this country (its been a while since I've been in the book). Armand Hammer and the Gore family were both part of Occidental Petroleum. The Gore family still is part of Occidental Petroleum which does business in Columbia and Peru and has had the people of those countries complaining and even sabotaging the pipelines there. Besides in South America, Occidental did (or tried) a lot of business in Libya in the 1960s. Armand is Jewish so he became a Unitarian so that he could more easily do business in Libya. I read from some place on the Internet recently where the person writing blamed Mohamar Quadafis take over of Libya on Occidental Petroleum. Remember the cold war is on and Libya becomes part of the Soviet side of the equation. Libya becomes a big PLO and terrorism supporter.

AL Gore's father along with others, if I remember right, go to some lengths on behalf of Armand Hammer politically. There might be some sensitive reasons for this and like I said I haven't finished the book. In, I believe, the very early 1980s Armand Hammer sells his 20% of an important Washinton D.C. Bank that becomes the foothold for the illegal ownership of a U.S. bank by B.C.C.I. The men doing the buying were mainly very wealthy Saudis of Saudi Intelligence. This was at a time when the Saudi Ghaith Pharaon was living in Georgia and when Jimmy Carter was in debt to him. I am not sure what BCCI was all about but I am guessing as far as the U.S. is concerned London mainly ran the show. London was suddenly overflowing in those days with wealthy Arabs in limousines and mansions (still is I think). Jimmy Carter was to befriend Agha Hassan Abedi the Pakistani president of BCCI. When President Carter took a trip to Pakistan he was not greated off the plane by the country of Pakistan's own delegation but by the BCCI protocol department. They had the money of a very wealthy U.A.E Sheik as their main capital in the bank. These relationships are probably why the Carter Center received a donation from the Bin Laden Group.

It has been said by a BCCI person that if you think of BCCI as a bank you'll not understand it and it is hard to understand BCCI. It was in 70 countries at one time and I kind of think that those sorts of things are still going on. Maybe there still is a BCCI in a sense and its generically called International Offshore Bare Knuckle Banking. But its wasn't really a "bank".
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As for Al Gore specifically. The link below has an article and at the bottom of the page are several links about Al Gore. It is mentioned in one of the articles that like Armand's file that was openned up after the Soviet Union fell there is a sensitive file on the Gore familly that Russian Intelligence uses to leverage Al Gore. Al Gore was very cozy with Viktor Chernomyrdin and allowed Viktor to sell arms to Iran that were suppose to by law receive sanctions by the U.S. if sold to Iran. In a book I've been reading about the Russian Oligarchs Anatoly Chubais mentions that in the mid-1990s he considered Viktor Chernomyrdin to own 50% of Russia. Viktor's sons were/are the main shareholders of Itera Corporation of Jacksonville Florida. Itera is the sister company of Russia's Gazprom, the largest energy company in the world.
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17728
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Title: Gore condoned Russian mafia?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17655

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Title: Gore's, Talbott's Red Russian roots

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17657

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[justin]

Steve, thanks for the articles--as usual you've given me something to think about. I'm not sure I see the connection from the articles you posted though. A lot of the conspiracy type articles make a lot out of fuzzy connections that do not mean that much. This is going to sound weird, but I would recommend watching Farenheit 9/11 if you can stomach it. Michael Moore is the absolute king of making too much out of business connections and friendships--specifially, watch what he does with the Unocal/Bush Family/bin Laden/oil connections to make it seem like we provoked the Afghanis so we could invade, or some nonsense like that. FYI--I'm an "anti-Bush" liberal, but I can't stand Michael Moore, so I'm only recommending the movie to show how this type of thing, and it is easier to see when you strongly disagree with it.

But the main reason I doubt the story is that Al Gore ran for President, and say what you want about the MSM, but any reporter that broke this story in the NYT, or Post or Wall Street Journal, or Weekly Standard or The New Republic etc. would probably win a Pulitzer (I think the publications I've cited are a decent range of the main-stream media perspective, including conservatives).

Sorry for being so off topic.

[Steve]

I've seen Farenheit 9/11 and I've seen Ron Silver, Ed Koch, Dick Morris' Farhenhype 911 DVD. And Ron Silver's was a lot better. I would really suggest seeing it, really.

As for Unocal in Afghanistan? You'll have to get some perspective here. That issue about Unocal was hot in the 1990s while Bill Clinton was president. You just didn't hear about those things much in the MSM news media at the time becuase, well, Bill Clinton was president. Bill Clinton was catching hell from some concerned women's groups because of the Clinton administration's support of the Pakistani ISI's Saudi taught and funded Taliban. But much of the Clinton administration's interest with the support of the Saudi/Pakistani Taliban was with a future there for Unocal.

Laying all that at the feet of the Bush administration is all part of something, like a lot of things, that I see going on in the media today. Its distorted and dishonest and what is more concerning is that it is calculated. It is calculated by people who are themselves full of money and energy interests as much as anyone else. But they have got the MSM news media and entertainment so they are able to make themselves out to be canonized saints by the Holy See of New York news media and the the Bishopric of Hollywood.

The Northern Alliance in the mid-1990s had the Taliban about finished off and it was the Clinton administration that went to Afghanistan to convince the Northern Alliance to agree to a ceasefire. That ceasefire allowed the Taliban to regroup and win Afghanistan. The Taliban and Afghanistan, like Pakistan, are also close to China. China had built Afghanistan's telephone system and more, and of course, China (anti-India) and Pakistan share in a lot of weapons technology.

Don't ask me what is ultimately going on. A can see many possible angles of pre-fabricated events meant to get a response from the public and direct this world. But I can certainly see that blatantly so in Michael Moore's film. From one angle I might see how he is part of a larger group (possibly unknown to even Michael) that were part of 911, and maybe part of the removal of the WMD material from Iraq, and then part of the coordinated shrill media campaign going on now towards George Bush's administration. Part of a larger pinch operation instigated by the old KGB and their Operation Sarindar, which included a media blitz campaign as part of it. Its a little like this, Russian's were very very involved in that whole Iraq vs. U.S., and the Israel vs. Syria-Palestinian terror groups, thing during the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Syria being a long long time Russian ally in terror just like Iraq and Libya were. These terror groups were trained in the Soviet sphere of influence, like Prague and East Germany. They were avowedly and openly Marxist. As much as Russia was hurt in Afghanistan in the 1980s and as much as they were monetarily and emotionally wrapped up in the Iraq vs. U.S., Israel vs. Palestinian, and Serbia vs. Albanian Kosovars, I can just see that Russia could have been involved in drawing the U.S. into both Afghanistan and Iraq and then orchestrating their long held influence they've gained over Western leftist groups to hurt the U.S. like we did to them in Afghanistan and the cold war generally. Also, possibly for the chaos and looting of Russia after the Soviet Union fell in the late 1980s and then all through the 1990s. I just think that it is possible that the old KGB were invloved in 911 and the clean out of Iraq's WMDs to, Iraq and Russia's ally, Syria. Besides, as much as Russia was involved in Marxist Palestinian terror groups during the cold war in Iraq you would have to wonder how Russia could just be indifferent to those same camps having jihadists in Iraq (Salman Pak), in the 1990s and to 2003, training in them all over again by those same old KGB cold war Arab terror groups. It was the Moscow Exchange that was the only one prior to 911 encouraging everyone to trade in their dollars for rubles in August of 2001. The reverse of what had been happening (rubles to dollars) on a massive scale in Russia since the late 1980s. 911 was done for a lot of reasons and grievances by Russia for what some Russians felt they had against the United States. But then again, they could have done it mainly because that is just the way they are and always will be. Because they were not bringing The Land of Milk and Honey either to their "colonialism" around the world, thats for sure. They've always operated more like a thuggish, oppresive criminal mafia from the start, as though that is what government ought to be, from I can tell.

I've never really spelled all this out top anybody and I do not know if it is out there on the Internet anywhere. But you see, I just think that there has been a purposeful campaign by the very people in this country that always supported Russia during the cold war, like Hollywood, MSM news, Michael Moore (His 1980s support of Central America communists of Cuban, Russian, and PLO soldiers).

We just can't talk about all that because, well, we shouldn't. But that is some of what I am seeing.

[teal marie]

Thanks, Steve. There's something haywire about Gore. (I voted for him!) He gets wackier as time goes by. And it shows right on his face. First time I've ever been glad I didn't get who I voted for.

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