More on Self-Preservation

In the first post on the situation in France, a few commenters attempt to compare the immigrant situation there with the illegal immigrant situation here in America. It’s an imperfect comparison, to put it mildly. For one thing, legal immigrants to this country aren’t barred from full participation in the greater society--either de jure or de facto—nor are any other minorities. The French, however, are far more restrictive toward people who have been in their country for a generation; people whom they invited to come. Basically, it's 1955 in Mississippi for France's guests, the North Africans and their children. The latter can never move past their low station in French society and become full participants in the land that, sometimes, is the place in which they were born.

Negative examples: to my knowledge, no Frenchman of Algerian descent has been appointed to a position equivalent to the Attorney General of the United States. No son of Moroccan immigrants has risen to become the mayor of France’s second largest city. And no daughter of these North African Muslim immigrants has married into one of France’s most famous political families without so much as the turn of a hair.

(I’ll let you industrious folk figure out the corresponding Mexican and American references in all cases.)

Mexican immigrants--illegal or not--have never done anything on the scale of the Algerian/Moroccan immigrant rioters (that’s reserved for us native-born types). Hundreds of American cities burning? Riots springing up in several of the states? Right. It wouldn’t happen because--again--no American municipal authority/governor/president would allow things to get that far; none of the appropriate chief executives would hem and haw around for a week and half trying to figure out what to do about it. And if one did (see Hurricane Katrina), it would be time to overrule him/her, political consequences be damned.

Yes, yes; I know about La MEChA, thanks. They are yet another of the various (insert phenotype here) superiority groups—along with the white supremacists and certain black nationalists--who believe they have dibs on the land called the United States of America. Somehow, however, I don’t think that even most of the people who would naturally be allied with such a group would give them the time of day. Most Mexican immigrants and Mexican-descended Americans are smarter than that and, most importantly, they have a stake in this country in its present form: too many have helped make this country what it is today.

Note the comments of one of my guests, Miguel from Mexico:

I'm a Mexican, living in Mexico most of my life, and I want to butt in here. For starters, 99% of Mexicans down here (that's about 100 million) have NEVER EVER heard of Mecha (meaning "fuse" in Spanish) or La Raza ("the race") ("everything for the race, nothing outside of the race" sounds like Mussolini). The territories up north were never called "Aztlán". That is an invention of La Raza and all of those sob's. Most Mexicans have never even heard the word Aztlán. It is not taught in school, because it doesn't exist. It is just a figment of the sick imagination of Mexican communists in the US (Mecha and La Raza and Co.). [SNIP]

So, the immense majority want to go over there and WORK, and I mean WORK. That's why American employers are so much fond of Mexican workers. They go there TO WORK and not to waste time in idiotic political things. This is the Mexican mentality. As for the Communist Chicanos up there (who are mostly American citizens), they were taught to hate the US, to be leftists, to demand Aztlán back and all of that crap BY AMERICANS, many of them White, others Black or of some other origin. So please take a good look at it and realize that THE WORST ENEMIES OF THE US ARE SOME AMERICANS.

Hello?

To compare the La MEChA idiots to the rioters who are destabilizing Europe is silly if only for one reason: most Americans of any descent will not take the violent overthrow of their way of life lying down, unlike far too many Europeans appear to be doing.

Let’s not play the “moral equivalence” game that many on the Left are inclined to play whenever one of its iconic persons or societies shows its seamy, STANK underside. Any American that has spent any significant amount of time outside of the US knows that his/her home country is at the forefront of true equality and that most other countries treat the “other,” especially blacks, as barely human. Let’s face it; the American Civil Rights Movement worked and it did because Americans actual had concrete, written-down ideals to live up to. But in self-righteous France, for example, there was no perception that change was necessary, so the French didn’t bother changing. That's why,

France has no Colin Powell or Condi Rice, no minority heading the equivalent of a Fortune 500 company, no vibrant minority political culture.

And French arrogance is the reason why they don't see anything wrong with that fact.

Fix illegal immigration, yes. (I approve of the Minutemen and want better-guarded borders also.) However, don’t lump in illegal Mexicans immigrants--and their American cousins--with those who would burn down any “infidel” society--including that south of the border—in order to blackmail us all into submission.

Comments

[teal marie]

You're right, of course. It really pushed a button, which, when I thought about it, revealed a bias I wasn't addressing. I am prejudiced against La Raza and Mecha troublemakers for good reason. Thinking back, it was never a first generation immigrant, always second or third. What the hell is it about America that corrupts the second generation? The new immigrants I have known, mostly through teaching art at the park, have been ... I don't know how to put it ... courteous describes it best, but hopeful and appreciative, too. They'll be the ones to stay late to help tidy the room, come early to help set up the class, try the hardest to learn the lesson. No sass.
Okay, I'm shamed. :-(
Thanks for the lesson there, folks.

The devil on my gauche shoulder, is whispering a line from Back to the Future -
"Its not you, Marty. It's your kids!!!"

I'm horrible at times. I'd blame my Viking ancestors but I'm not that blonde.

[Kevin Murphy]

It was interesting to note a CNN.com photo last Friday of the mayor of one of these Paris ghettos meeting his angry constituents. You didn't need a caption to pick out the mayor: only white face in the room. I think it's a mistake to call these folks Islamic extremists; there's a genuine injustice here.

[skinner]

Theres no comparison between the arabs rioting in france and the illeagal aliens coming into this country Excepting that lots of members from both parties Dont have respect for theyre host parties in many cases For Instance In the last 4 years Oregon has had a huge Influx of illeagals from mexico Could this be because Oregon has a health plan that illeagals can sign up for immediately All they need is an Id. card 50$ no S.S.# no drivers licence They can even get a drivers licences { All classes} with an Id card NO SS.card They pay no taxes but get full medical Im self employed and cant afford ins. Everyone says they take the jobs legal citizens dont want where I live I can tell you BULLSHIT But guess what thats not all the illeagals do the deal meth they bring meth up by the pounds from Mexico and when they get busted
They're allowed to run home and then pick a different state to repeat in after its cooled down
Im not a racists Ive watched the crime in this low population area rise and on the one station we have for central Oregon 3/4s of the crimes are done by Lopes, Rodrigues, Lopez, sanchez, gomez
And theyre 97 cousins. This has nothing to do with France's riots
But it obvious people want to talk about it. P,s. My mother
was born in Mexico is 23 her family moved to texas Via legal routes I lived in El paso Tex for many years and the mexican immigrants were half the people I "hung with" Theres a holes in every race If you cant see this youre blind But My point is were getting an unproportional ammount of scumbags coming from the south
Largely do to Hillarys It takes a village, Idiot, liberal, to buy her bullshit How Informed is she sitting in her penthouse with armed gaurds spewing out divirsity
and gun control P.S. Do I sound arrogant Baldilocks? I pay taxes
All my uncles my father and my grandfathers served in world war 1
and 2 I never did I got a low number in the V.N. lottery I got a notice to appear at the selective service office and one week later I got another notice to not appear but to not leave the country and wait for furthur notice { It never came ], I was glad that war was a big mistake
This one wasnt And I applaud all the Lopez' garcia' Castanedas
That are fighting in this one They are as American as you can get God bless the troops

[Dirty Dingus]

Trackback didn't work so here's one masquerading as a comment instead:

http://www.di2.nu/blog.htm?20051109

[wayne]

The issue of immigration is one that effects us all and it brings forth a lot of anger and any discussion referencing immigration is likely to end up heading that way.

Illegal immigration even slams us here in the People's Republic of Wisconsin.

Not only does this provide and influx of criminals but the pirates that have commandeered the state have come up with all of these wonderful programs and ideas.

Illegals don't get arrested for driving without licenses or insurance which is really cool when one of them gets into a crash with you.

There is a program here that provides low interest loans and grants for illegals to purchase housing. Of course there is nothing for the taxpaying citizen.

In the last election thousands of illegals were even allowed to vote as anyone trying to get ID's from voters was hounded for being racist.

The governor is seeking institutionalize this principle by vetoing any bill requiring any sort of real identification when voting.

Heck, my company just passed the UNITED WAY hat around with a new program to help "all of the newly immigrated inner city poor".

After a while (when no benefits are returned to us the taxpayers...as the money is being split between corrupt officials and the "poor") a person starts to get annoyed.

It only gets worse when it seems much larger hinderences and burdens are on the horizon and all speaking up in public gets you is an accusation of racism or threats.

[skinner]

My exwife grew up in Wisconsin
" madtown " as they say she ran home when I tried to make a pioneer out of her. No great loss Wis. has always been ultra
especially college towns with commie professors Oregons the same way Eugene [ the college town banned christmas decorations last year because it might offend non Christions. How ultra sensitive do these liberals want to be ? Socialism is buttbuddies with communism AND I KILL COMMIES . Were letting our country go to F...K And at the expence of the common working taxpayer Thank god Ive got guns and ammo I pray to God that I dont need them

[Miguel]

Wayne: in Mexico EVERYONE is required to show an ID with their photo on it in order to be able to vote. Nobody can vote in an election without such electoral ID. That goes for every single election and for all levels of government: federal, state and city. I wonder why the USA has not implemented something of the sort. Since we have that requirement -along with a handful of other important items, like supervision by the political parties (3 important ones right now, 8 in total) in every polling site, the list of all possible voters WITH THEIR PHOTO, electoral crimes, and a few other measures- elections have been a lot more trustworthy and democratic down here. That's since 1991, approx. Americans should have that kind of controls over elections to clear them up.
As for the crime comited by Mexicans in the States, they should be punished as any other criminal and all that BS from La Raza & Co. demanding privileges for the immigrants is against any human decency. They claim to be all for equality, but that is not equality when some people are treated better than others, like immigrants being treated better than Americans. That's just plain wrong. But that's up for Americans to correct, although I know it's not easy because of what I said in the last sentence of the post that Baldy so nicely digned to quote.
Baldy: a big kiss for you and God bless you always for the great service you do through this blog :)

[justin]

On a lighter note, this is kind of funny:

http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2005_11_06_d-squareddigest_archive.html#113148562322933967

[Tully]

We've had over two centuries to learn how to assimilate immigrants both voluntary and involuntary--and we're a nation built with/on/by immigrants. We still don't do it terribly well, but we try, and mostly do.

The French, with their insular society, have only been at it for a half-century or so. And they haven't been trying at all. It's biting them in the behind. Much of the rest of Europe is in the same bind, if not the same acute state of crisis.

I hate to say it, but what they need is a good dose of legally enforced desegregation and affirmative action. Sadly they'll probably go one of the other two ways. Either they'll do the multi-culti "buyoff" path, or they'll try to stomp the unrest flat. Those paths are just dealying tactics, IMHO, that will only push the problem down the road and allow it to grow in the meantime. Knowing Chirac, my money's on the "buyoff" path.

[Tully]

I'm a poor excuse for a blog whore...I have some articles linked at my Centerfield post that fill in some relevant background. Most particularly, note the demographics.

[teal marie]

Heavens to Murgatroyd!
LGF has a post from la Voz de Azatlan promising riots here. Guess they didn't get the memo.

[baldilocks]

teal marie: not exactly surprising.

Leave it to idiots to live down to their idiocy.

I still maintain that most Americans of Mexican descent would tell La MEChA to f- off.

[teal marie]

I wish they would tell the idiots to f- off! Just like I wish Muslims would denounce terrorists.
I'm just not hearing it. Quite the contrary, I'm seeing local Hispanic candidates for city office listing Voz de Azatlan as endorsements. Right up front and proud about it, too.

[wayne]

Miguel, you seem to be a decent and honest person and I wish to hell more of the Hispanic community leadership up here would be a little more like you in their dealings with the rest of us.

You are actually the kind of person that I think should be encouraged to legally immigrate up here because you appear to have the sort of attitude that would be an asset.

I do not want anyone who would be an asset to get the idea that they are unwelcome. People who are assets seem to be rare in supply these days.

The problem from my perspective, lies not so much in the idea of immigration but in the attitudes of those (many of whom are up here!!!) who seek to benefit by breaking our laws and creating chaos.

I wish that we would promote the idea that people must prove who they are whenever they vote. Mexico is to be commended for doing this. It is the most important thing that every citizen will do during his or her life.

Even serving in the military is meaningless if the people create thru their choices a society where their efforts and sacrifices are wasted by selecting people who are bent on destroying our country.

And it all becomes moot if people cheat the election process. In 2000 in Florida, thousands of military votes were tossed due to a "miscommunication" between officials about how certain info (that was unavailable to the servicemembers) was to be filled in on the absentee ballots.

Thousands of extra ballots were "discovered" in New Mexico after the first results came in and these ballots have never been properly traced. The same thing happened in Washington in 2004.

In Wisconsin a leading Democratic campaign worker for the city of Milwaukee was convicted of felony vote fraud for buying votes with cigarettes. This same woman was selected to run the voting board for Milwaukee in 2004.

Bush lost Wisconsin by about 11,000 votes. So far over 7,000 votes in the city of Milwaukee have benn found to have been illegally cast in that election because there was no proof the people even existed. You can guess which way those votes were cast. Our freind running the voting board may be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. I wonder if there is a "three strikes" rule for vote fraud?

Governor Doyle has recently vetoed votor ID's for the third time saying they cause an undue burden on certain people (he says the old and infirm or the indigent) who don't have ID's.

First off, I don't really care if some homeless guy or dope addict gets to vote.

If a person is too irresponsible or whacked out to have a job or obtain aid so as to have a place to live and I don't want you making decisions that effect MY pocketbook.

I promise you every senior whether they are in a home or not has some sort of ID to get benefits or at least can prove where they live.

Now if you are dead, live in whatever state, or are not a citizen, I think stopping you from voting is not a burden on anyone that matters. I'm sure that Governor Doyle disagrees. After all corruption keeps him in office. That and the millions he gets paid by certain Indian tribes so as not to have to pay taxes on their casino earnings.

If we are going to start giving voting rights to folks who aren't citizens we had better start with the LEGAL RESIDENTS most of whom are ecstatic to be here and who hate the fact that folks who are SCAMMING THEIR TAX MONEY, TOO get to vote when they do not.

You do not want to broach this subject with my wife. She would have voted for Bush and she hates illegal immigrants and having to pay taxes to support people who haven't earned the right to be here. She works hard and the corruption she sees here has really depressed her because she thought that it would be better here than in the Philippines. She now knows it isn't better. Just different.

[DonS]

My understanding is that Aztlán is the "original homeland" of the Aztecs before they came to what is now Mexico City. It is north of Mexico City, or so the origin myths go, but no serious historian thinks it was in the modern US.